beatrice_otter: Han and Chewbacca (Han and Chewie)
Okay, so I was on AO3, searching for new Star Wars fic.  Specifically, Force Awakens Star Wars fic.  And so I clicked on the Force Awakens tag, and sorted by number of hits, because that's a pretty good way of getting the best stuff.  Or, at least, the stuff everyone is reading, but whatever.  Most of the real duds get weeded out by this, you know?

And I was shocked by what I found.  In the first three pages, there were at least TWO SEPARATE REALLY LONG SECOND-PERSON FICS.  And not, like ordinary you-as-one-of-the-characters fics.  No.  Both of them were romances between "Kylo Ren/You."

I have not read either one of them.  I am sure, to get up that high into the hit counts in the Force Awakens tag on AO3 (which is a pretty large tag), they must be good fics.

But.  Like.  You guys, I started out reading fanfic in the 90s on the ancient fanfix.net (.com?) Star Wars archive that was lost to the mists of the intarwebs over a decade and a half ago.  And on a few other fanfiction websites of similar age.  And there were a decent number of those Character/You second-person fic.  And they were all terrible.  Pretty much across the board.  Look, I was a bored teen who spent a lot of time reading fanfic, and there was A LOT LESS of it then.  I read everything, even the really bad fic.  There were a few signs that a fic was going to be really bad, and you knew that going in, but it was that or the fic I'd already read a dozen times, I read it anyway.  And Character/You was like a bright flashing neon sign LORD KING BAD FIC HERE.  (Grammar, spelling, plot, characterization, you name it.  Being asexual I can't comment on the hotness of the porn aspect, but everything else was bad.)  And then people just ... stopped writing second-person fic.  And slowly and steadily the fanfic writing world expanded, and the fandoms I'd read expanded, and my time grew more constrained by adulting, and I stopped reading badfic because a) there was a lot more selection available, and b) I had less time to read fanfic in, which together meant I started reading only good quality stuff I liked.

Seeing those two "Kylo Ren and you get it on!!!" fics was a blast from the past in a bad way.  Like I said, given how high they are in the rankings, I'm sure they are decent quality.  But even if I liked Kylo Ren, you could not pay me enough to make me read them.

Date: 2016-03-27 10:40 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] muccamukk
muccamukk: Wanda walking away, surrounded by towering black trees, her red cloak bright. (Avengers: Lady Hulk)
I think the Character/You fic kicked off again in MCU fandom. Or, at least that's where I started seeing a lot of it again, specifically Loki/You, though some Bucky/You more recently.

Like you (specifically you), I had always thought it was one of those huge 'don't's for writing, unless you (general you) were trying to be artistic, and generally knew what you (ditto) were doing.

Date: 2016-03-29 12:55 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] muccamukk
muccamukk: Jessica standing on a high balcony, looking out. (JJ: Watching Over You)
Yeah, that's really the heart of it for me.

Story: You're longing with desire for Kylo Ren's gleaming dark hair.
Me: No I ain't.

Date: 2016-03-29 02:26 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] muccamukk
muccamukk: General Organa looking up. (SW: The General)
Indeed, and the state of his hair isn't really a factor.

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