Fic In A Box is live!

[beatrice_otter]

Finally, after long delays while pinch hitters were found, ficinabox is live! I wrote a fic, and I'm curious to see if anyone can identify it.

I received not one but three podfics, which I am really excited about, and also a fic about Timov from Babylon 5 with really excellent worldbuilding!

Here are my gifts:

Begins with Pain as a Mirror (2581 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Babylon 5 (TV 1993)
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Characters: Timov (Babylon 5)
Additional Tags: Character Study, Espionage, Canonical Bad Marriage, Culturally Typical Sexism, Backstory, charity work
Summary: Timov's sisters had assured her, back in the day, that there were much worse husbands than Londo Mollari, and Timov had always known that it was true. Unfortunately, none of that actually made Londo a good husband.
She had been willing to try, and he had not. Then he had wanted, and she had not. She had still been willing to try, but he had wanted something-- someone-- she had never learned how to be. Wild passion and enticing sexuality were outside her training and experience, and he had no patience to teach her.
He had no patience in general. No ability to meet other people where they were and then find common ground.


[Podfic] Vocational Studies (25 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Kira Nerys & Benjamin Sisko
Characters: Kira Nerys, Benjamin Sisko
Additional Tags: Religion, Bajoran Culture, Bajor, Don't copy to another website, Podfic, Podfic Length: 10-20 Minutes, Audio Format: MP3, Audio Format: Streaming
Summary:

Kira, Sisko, and learning what you need to know.

Podfic of Vocational Studies by Beatrice_Otter.


[podfic] Finding Common Ground (by Beatrice_Otter) (26 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Star Trek: The Next Generation
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: William Riker/Ro Laren
Characters: Ro Laren, William Riker, Deanna Troi
Additional Tags: Fix-It, Friends With Benefits, Episode Tag, Episode: s05e14 Conundrum, Episode: s05e24 The Next Phase, Episode: s05e17 The Outcast, Episode: s06e07 Rascals, Episode: s07e24 Preemptive Strike, Podfic & Podficced Works, Podfic Length: 30-45 Minutes, 35:48 to be exact, Audio Format: Streaming, Audio Format: MP3, Audio Format: OGG
Summary: After “Conundrum,” Riker and Ro learn to be friends—and sometimes more.
Podfic of Finding Common Ground by Beatrice_Otter


[podfic] Essential to Your Own (by Beatrice_Otter) (26 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Star Trek: The Next Generation
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Data/Geordi La Forge
Characters: Data (Star Trek), Geordi La Forge
Additional Tags: Friends to Lovers, Podfic & Podficced Works, Podfic Length: 20-30 Minutes, 23:22 to be exact, Audio Format: MP3, Audio Format: OGG, Audio Format: Streaming
Summary: Data has a proposition for Geordi.
Podfic of Essential To Your Own by Beatrice_Otter



My recs from the exchange:

Appended Notes to Xenomorph Data (231 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Aliens (1986)
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Dwayne Hicks/Ellen Ripley
Characters: Dwayne Hicks, Ellen Ripley, Bishop (Aliens), Rebecca "Newt" Jorden
Additional Tags: Art, Traditional Art, Charcoal, marker, Found Family
Summary: It's a family project.


Black-Figure Vase (126 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Ancient Greek Religion & Lore
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Adonis/Aphrodite & the Wild Boar
Additional Tags: Cross Stitch Pattern
Summary: Cross stitch pattern of the Wild Boar, with symbols of Aphrodite and Adonis.


A Shriveled Leaf (765 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Ancient Greek Religion & Lore
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Demeter & Persephone (Ancient Greek Religion & Lore)
Characters: Demeter (Ancient Greek Religion & Lore), Persephone (Ancient Greek Religion & Lore)
Additional Tags: Plant blight, Plant diseases, immortals through history
Summary: Demeter and Persephone met repeatedly by dying plants, until they didn't.


When I Was a Child, I Talked Like a Child, I Thought Like a Child, I Reasoned Like a Child. (3412 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Anne of Green Gables - L. M. Montgomery
Rating: Not Rated
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Diana Barry/Anne Shirley, Marilla Cuthbert & Anne Shirley, Matthew Cuthbert & Anne Shirley
Characters: Anne Shirley, Diana Barry, Marilla Cuthbert, Matthew Cuthbert
Additional Tags: Unrequited Love, Canon Compliant, tbh this is kinda an evil little fic. wrt the unrequitedness., takes place during ch 31
Summary: “It’s the one thing I can’t really imagine, really imagine— myself as all grown up. When I think about it— getting married, having children, getting old— well, I know you’re supposed to see yourself doing these things, but I don’t know. Can you imagine it?”
“Sure,” Diana said.
“Oh, see!”
“But it’s not like imagining like you think— about being a mermaid, or the dryads, or the Haunted Wood. It’s more like— hoping for something.” And her cheeks turned bright red with some thought that Anne couldn’t read.
“And what are you hoping for?”
“I don’t know,” Diana said. “I wish you could imagine it, Anne. Then you could tell me if it will be nice or not.”


The voices in this one are so perfectly in character

September thru December, 1814: A Courtship (13363 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Bridgerton (TV)
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Benedict Bridgerton/Penelope Featherington, Eloise Bridgerton & Penelope Featherington, Benedict Bridgerton & Eloise Bridgerton
Characters: Penelope Featherington, Benedict Bridgerton, Eloise Bridgerton
Additional Tags: Epistolary, Storytelling, and capital-R Romance! of course
Series: Part 2 of 1814: Tragicomedies
Summary: Mr. Bridgerton,
I would be delighted to join you for a tour of the British Museum next Friday afternoon, at half past four. I am honoured by your invitation.
My mother will send one of our servants, Mrs. Varley, along as a chaperone, unless you can suggest an alternative.
Kindly,

Miss Penelope Featherington
12 September, 1814

.
ANTHONY I NEED TO BORROW YOUR WIFE IT'S URGENT
MOTHER SAYS COME DOWN FOR BREAKFAST ALSO YOU LAZY SOD


Of Wolves and Women (13606 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Bridgerton (TV)
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Anthony Bridgerton/Kate Sheffield | Kate Sharma
Characters: Anthony Bridgerton, Kate Sheffield | Kate Sharma, Siena Rosso, Bridgerton Family (Bridgerton)
Additional Tags: Werewolves, Regency, Courtship
Summary: “What,” Anthony asked importantly, summoning all the dignity of the moment that he did not in fact possess - “are you doing here?”
The hoyden glared - such glorious eyes, avenging angel eyes, their depth, their hue, their perspicacity -
“I was invited,” Kate replied coolly.
--
Anthony Bridgerton is a werewolf. Yes, it's confusing for him too.


still in the same beautiful script (11124 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Bridgerton (TV)
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Anthony Bridgerton/Kate Sharma
Characters: Anthony Bridgerton, Kate Sharma
Additional Tags: Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Pining, Pen Pals, Epistolary Elements, Getting Together, 3+1 times
Summary: Over the weeks and months and years, letters crossed the globe. Each page Anthony read was a balm to the ache that had lodged itself most stubbornly within his ribs when he had discovered Miss Sharma’s departure. Each paragraph he wrote bared more of his heart to the impossible woman.


Selected Pages from the Collected Works of Liet Kynes (938 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Dune (2021), Dune Series - Frank Herbert
Rating: Not Rated
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Characters: Liet Kynes
Additional Tags: Art, Traditional Art, Excerpts from a journal, Pen and Ink, Pastels, Bats, Hawk - Freeform, Dates, Amaranths, Flora and Fauna, Ecology, Mixed Media, Charcoal
Summary: Selected Pages from the Collected Works of Liet Kynes, featuring flora and fauna of Arrakis, as well as ecological diagrams.


Rushing In For The Rescue (0 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: DC Extended Universe
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings
Relationships: Clark Kent/Bruce Wayne
Characters: Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent
Additional Tags: Fanart, Hurt/Comfort, Hurt Bruce Wayne, Protective Clark Kent


In the soft light of the night (0 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: DCU (Comics)
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Clark Kent/Bruce Wayne
Characters: Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne
Additional Tags: Fanart, Kissing, World's Finest


The Tower of Destiny (8250 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Shazam! (Movies - Sandberg)
Rating: Not Rated
Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings
Relationships: Billy Batson/Freddy Freeman
Characters: Billy Batson, Freddy Freeman, Darla Dudley, Pedro Peña, Eugene Choi (DCU), Mary Bromfield
Additional Tags: Shazamily (DCU), Post-Shazam! (2019), Action/Adventure
Summary: A witch makes team Shazam pass a series of deadly trust-building exercises.
Unrelatedly Freddy's birth mom is back in town and she wants him back. This is definitely not affecting the team in anyway.


[Art] Dodgy (30 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Discworld - Terry Pratchett
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Characters: Bergholt Stuttley "Bloody Stupid" Johnson
Additional Tags: Technical Drawing, campanology
Summary: With one of Bloody Stupid Johnson's bell-hanging schemes installed in a tower, it was possible for methods such as Hunt the Slipper Triples or Bob's Your Uncle Major, which required bells to change places with unexpected neighbours¹, to be rung.


Death Star (1165 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Discworld - Terry Pratchett, Star Wars - All Media Types
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: Major Character Death
Characters: Death (Discworld)
Additional Tags: Death Star (Star Wars), Force Ghosts (Star Wars), Humor
Summary: Death comes to the galaxy far far away. (He'd like a curry.)


hide inside your house (1500 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: The Goblin Emperor Series - Katherine Addison
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Echelo Esaran & Varenechibel IV, Echelo Esaran & Maia Drazhar
Characters: Echelo Esaran, Maia Drazhar
Additional Tags: POV Outsider, Character Study, Worldbuilding, Period Typical Attitudes
Summary: Esaran sees a boy whose new clothes suit him as badly as the Alcemereth itself, a boy with hunched shoulders and flatly pressed ears. She had seen pageboys and scullery maids like him, little beaten down things, and she’s always made sure to teach them to stand up straight and sure, for if they don’t have dignity for themselves, how can they show the dignity due to her court? But therein lies the trap: if she can train the Emperor, what Emperor is he? She might as well take the crown from him and declare herself Empress Esaran the First.

Twenty Hours in St. Mungo's (74604 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Sirius Black/Hermione Granger, Sirius Black & Harry Potter, Sirius Black & Hermione Granger, Minor or Background Relationship(s), Sirius Black & Lily Evans Potter
Characters: Sirius Black, Hermione Granger, Harry Potter, James Potter, Lily Evans Potter, Ginny Weasley, Fleur Delacour, Bill Weasley, Teddy Lupin, Andromeda Black Tonks, Regulus Black, George Weasley, Dean Thomas, Remus Lupin, Minor Characters
Additional Tags: Time Travel, Unplanned Pregnancy, Fix-It of Sorts, Post-Canon, Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Secret Relationship, Pining
Summary:

Hermione Granger appeared on the doorstep of number 12 Grimmauld Place on a Thursday morning, six months after she'd gone missing, with her hair cut short to her chin and a wound in her shoulder that looked like the result of a burning curse, half-cauterised and bleeding sluggishly. She was wearing a long skirt and jumper that nobody recognized, and she had cuts and scratches on her legs, as if she'd been running through a briar patch. There was a series of numbers on her left palm written in ballpoint pen - too long to be an address, but too short for a phone number - and her ears were pierced, which was notable only because (according to Ginny) they hadn't been, before. She was also five months pregnant.

reflect / refract / diffract (3925 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Hunger Games Trilogy - Suzanne Collins
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence
Relationships: Katniss Everdeen/Peeta Mellark, Katniss Everdeen & Original Female Character(s), Haymitch Abernathy & Katniss Everdeen
Characters: Katniss Everdeen, Peeta Mellark, Haymitch Abernathy, Effie Trinket, Original Characters
Additional Tags: Hunger Games, Hunger Games-Typical Death/Violence, District 12 (Hunger Games), Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Mentors, Hunger Games Mentor Katniss Everdeen, Hunger Games Tributes, POV First Person, POV Katniss Everdeen, Hunger Games Victor Katniss Everdeen, Fic in a Box 2023
Summary: After winning the 73rd Hunger Games, Katniss gets her first tribute to mentor.


the return of birds (3373 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Hunger Games Trilogy - Suzanne Collins
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Katniss Everdeen & Peeta Mellark, Haymitch Abernathy & Katniss Everdeen, Katniss Everdeen/Peeta Mellark
Characters: Katniss Everdeen, Peeta Mellark, Haymitch Abernathy
Additional Tags: Post-Canon, Post-War, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder - PTSD, Healing, Recovery, Wilderness, Peace, Pre-Relationship, Worldbuilding
Summary: After the war, Katniss, Peeta and Haymitch return to District 12.
Or: Nine scenes of healing and recovery after the war.


Apostles of Reddit (1655 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Jesus Christ Superstar - All Media Types, Jesus Christ Superstar 2000
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Jesus Christ & Judas Iscariot (Jesus Christ Superstar)
Characters: Judas Iscariot (Jesus Christ Superstar), King Herod (Jesus Christ Superstar), Mary Magdalene (Jesus Christ Superstar), Peter (Jesus Christ Superstar), Annas (Jesus Christ Superstar)
Additional Tags: Alternate Universe - Reddit, Internet, Crack Treated Seriously
Summary: u/solidarityfromkerioth
Am I the Asshole for calling out my friend’s inconsistency on bourgeois colonial decadence?

Or was that just PR? (4022 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Jesus Christ Superstar - All Media Types, Jesus Christ Superstar (2000)
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: Major Character Death
Relationships: Jesus Christ & Judas Iscariot (Jesus Christ Superstar), WB: Any (Jesus Christ Superstar (2000)), Jesus Christ & Judas Iscariot (JCS 2000)
Characters: Judas Iscariot (Jesus Christ Superstar), Jesus Christ (Jesus Christ Superstar), Mary Magdalene (Jesus Christ Superstar)
Additional Tags: Medium Opt-In: Writing - Reddit: In-Universe r/AmITheAsshole Post (Post + Replies), Medium Opt-In: Writing - In-Universe Tabloid Article, Medium Opt-In: Writing - In-Universe Internet Forum Posts, Social Media, News Media, Gift Exchange
Summary: jesus christ superstar, told through the perspective of just about everybody else (aka: r/AITA posts and news articles set during the story!)


[Art] Uhura on the Vulcan Lute (0 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Star Trek: The Original Series
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Characters: Nyota Uhura
Additional Tags: Digital Art
Summary: She had sung for him, made music with him, and he had taught her to play this beautiful, beloved ancient instrument.

on sparkling and lavender tea (1150 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (TV)
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Number One | Una Chin-Riley & Christopher Pike
Characters: Number One | Una Chin-Riley (Star Trek), Christopher Pike
Additional Tags: Episode: s02e02 Ad Astra Per Aspera (Star Trek: Strange New Worlds), Illyrians (Star Trek), Friendship, Character Study, Late Night Conversations, Captain XO vibes
Summary: "There are a lot of things that factor into success when one is growing up as an Illyrian trying to pass as a human, and Una has internalized all of them."
Una offers a glimpse beneath her mask.



what you can't bear to lose (7080 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: What If...? (Cartoon 2021)
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Peggy Carter/Natasha Romanov
Characters: Peggy Carter, Natasha Romanov (Marvel)
Additional Tags: Post-Episode: s01e01 What If... Captain Carter Were The First Avenger?, Post-Episode: s01e09 What If... the Watcher Broke His Oath?, Missions Gone Wrong, Explosions, Trapped, Injury, Rescue, Feelings Realization, Love Confessions, First Kiss
Summary: A mission gone wrong leaves Peggy and Nat buried under the debris of an exploded building, and although they are rescued, the danger of the situation forces them to confront their feelings for each other.


Resisting Fate (4 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Star Wars: The Clone Wars (2008) - All Media Types
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Characters: Mace Windu
Additional Tags: Video, Fanvids


Forget Me Not (3900 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Star Wars Original Trilogy
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: C-3PO & R2-D2 (Star Wars), C-3PO & R2-D2 & Darth Vader
Characters: C-3PO (Star Wars), R2-D2 (Star Wars), Anakin Skywalker | Darth Vader
Additional Tags: Mission Fic, Threepio's Memory Wipe, Sassy Droids (Star Wars), R2-D2 is So Done (Star Wars)
Summary: Artoo and Threepio are captured by the Empire. Vader has unfinished business with them.


Complications (12078 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Suits (US TV)
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Mike Ross/Harvey Specter
Characters: Harvey Specter, Mike Ross
Additional Tags: Fake/Pretend Relationship, Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Alternate Universe - Different Second Meeting, Pining, Misunderstandings, Light Angst, Happy Ending
Summary: “Do I look like I’m kidding?”
She does not look like she’s kidding, but this is going too far, even for her. “Jessica, you can’t tell me what to do with my social life.”
One perfectly manicured eyebrow shoots up. “I can when your lack of discretion hurts my business. I don’t care who it is, I don’t even care if you like them. But if you’re at an event on firm time, you better have someone by your side.”
The hard flint of her eyes tells him she’s not backing down. Because this isn’t about Geoff Humphries and his busybody wife, not really. This is about proving she can still control him. More punishment for Gerald Tate, for not hiring an associate—
Hey, wait. Now that’s an idea.
Or: It's a fake dating AU!

Third Chance (13236 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Kira Nerys & Ro Laren
Characters: Ro Laren, Kira Nerys, Jadzia Dax
Additional Tags: Post-Dominion War (Star Trek), Female Friendship
Summary: This isn't the first time Ro has had to start her life over, nor the first time she's had to deal with people who don't like or trust her.


some lines of feeling (3039 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Persuasion - Jane Austen
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Anne Elliot/Frederick Wentworth
Characters: Anne Elliot, Frederick Wentworth
Additional Tags: Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Autumn, Getting Back Together
Summary: The joy of the poetry—melancholy and profound as often as it made her smile—was quick to capture her attention.
Capture it so thoroughly, in fact, that she did not hear the crunch of footsteps on gravel until they were just before her. Anne had hardly a moment to register the sound when a most familiar voice spoke.
“Miss Elliot.”


To Learn a Lifetime of You (12297 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Top Gun (Movies)
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Tom "Iceman" Kazansky/Pete "Maverick" Mitchell
Characters: Pete "Maverick" Mitchell, Tom "Iceman" Kazansky
Additional Tags: Post-Movie: Top Gun (1986), Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Period-Typical Homophobia, But not explicit, Falling In Love, Developing Relationship, 5 + 1 Fic, a whole lot of guilt, Suicidal Thoughts, Very Minor, DADT mentioned, Character Study, If You Squint - Freeform, Grammarly is My Wingman, Jewish Ice, Gay Ice, Brief Attempt at Assault (Not Between Main Characters), Angst with a Happy Ending
Summary: It takes 20 years, but eventually, Maverick and Ice figure it out.
Or
5 Times Maverick Learned Something about Ice, and 1 Time Ice Learned Something about Maverick.


AITA: Six Daughters?!? (3738 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Vorkosigan Saga - Lois McMaster Bujold
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: Major Character Death
Relationships: Oliver Jole/Aral Vorkosigan, Oliver Jole/Cordelia Naismith Vorkosigan
Characters: Miles Vorkosigan, Ivan Vorpatril, Duv Galeni, Cordelia Naismith Vorkosigan
Additional Tags: Social Media, reddit, Complicated Relationships, Family Drama, Advice
Summary: My (M40s) mother (F76) just told me that she intends to have six (!) daughters with my deceased father and co-parent with my father's secret male lover (M40s). AITA for thinking that there should have been discussion with me about this first?


A Civil Invitation (1197 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Vorkosigan Saga - Lois McMaster Bujold
Rating: Mature
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Ivan Vorpatril/Dono Vorrutyer
Characters: Ivan Vorpatril, Dono Vorrutyer
Additional Tags: Book: A Civil Campaign, Canon Compliant, Missing Scene, Proposition, Genderfuckery, Bisexual Crisis
Summary: Ivan is uncomfortably aware that his ex-lover makes an exceptionally good-looking man. A good-looking man who wants to know if Ivan is still up for anything.


cowboy kids (4493 words) by Anonymous
Fandom: Watchmen (Comic)
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Dan Dreiberg/Laurie Juspeczyk/Rorschach
Characters: Laurie Juspeczyk, Rorschach (Watchmen), Dan Dreiberg, Original Female Character(s)
Additional Tags: Pre-Relationship, Pre-Keene (Watchmen), Interviews, Post-Squid (Watchmen)
Summary: Laurie can remember the first time she met Nite Owl and Rorschach, dragged out by her mother in an ill-fitting yellow costume that was so much latex that she squeaked. Rorschach had been cruel to her, and Nite Owl had been kind, taught her how to throw a punch with her thumb on the outside of her knuckles.
Laurie’s glad he stayed. For both their sakes.

Comments

[schneefink]

Thanks for the recs! I really enjoyed "Twenty Hours."

[beatrice_otter]

You're welcome! I enjoyed that one a lot, too!